Subject: MSNBC: Biden rules
From: "Eric Schwerin" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>, "Beau Biden" <[email-masked]>, "Missy Owens" <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 12:04:58 -0500

Biden rules Posted: Monday, March 01, 2010 11:29 AM by Domenico
Montanaro
Filed Under: Congress<http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/category/1017.aspx>,
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*From NBC's Domenico Montanaro**
Vice President Joe Biden* could play a bigger role when it comes to the
health-care process going forward than most people previously understood.

Former Senate parliamentarian of 37 years Robert Dove said on MSNBC's The
Daily Rundown that the vice president, who also functions as the
president of the Senate, can override the parliamentarian when it comes to
what qualifies under reconciliation.

"The parliamentarian only can advise," Dove said. "It is the vice president
who rules."

It is widely understood that the parliamentarian would rule whether or not
items under reconciliation are germaine to the budget. It wasn't always the
case that items under reconciliation had to pertain to the budget. But it
had been used so often to defeat filibusters, Dove said, that in the 1980s
Sen. *Robert Byrd *(D-WV) instituted a the budget rule. It is now known as
the Byrd Rule. The parliamentarian currently is *Alan Frumin*.

Not since *Hubert Humphrey*, Dove said, has there been a vice president
played such a powerful role. But as NBC's Chuck Todd, who co-hosts the show,
pointed out, perhaps not since Humphrey has the U.S. seen a vice president
as comfortable with the rules of the Senate as Biden.

"That's why I brought this up," Dove said. "Yes. Humphrey had been the
majority whip. He had been in the Senate since 1948. He felt very
comfortable playing an important role. And it's quite possible that Vice
President Biden [would]."

On the use of reconciliation, Dove said that it "has been used a lot. I
would never use the term illegitimate when it comes to reconciliation. ...
It has been used for very large, major bills. It is a way of getting around
the problem of the Senate filibuster."

Some of the "fixes" Democrats would like to pass, however, might not be
available because of the Byrd Rule. And it's not cut and dry what would
qualify.

For example, Dove said, in 1995, under a large reconciliation bill, one item
was not allowing any federal funding for abortions. While the item did score
by the Congressional Budget Office and would have saved the government
money, Dove disallowed it, because he found that the intent of its inclusion
wasn't a budgetary one, but for policy.

Here's a transcript of the exchange:

ROBERT DOVE: Ultimately, it's the vice president of the United States, but I
can tell you I have...

CHUCK TODD: Wait a minute, explain that.

SAVANNAH GUTHRIE: Yeah, what does that mean?

DOVE: It is the decision of the vice president whether or not to play a role
here.

TODD: He can play president of the Senate.

DOVE: Absolutely. And I have seen vice presidents play that role in other,
very important situations. Hubert Humphrey...

GUTHRIE: So the vice president could overrule the parliamentarian?

DOVE: Oh, absolutely. The parliamentarian only can advise. It is the vice
president who rules. But I will say that not since Hubert Humphrey have I
seen a vice president try to play that kind of role in the Senate.

TODD: But not since Hubert Humphrey have we had a vice president this
familiar with Senate rules as this vice president in Joe Biden.

DOVE: That's why I brought this up. Yes. Humphrey had been the majority
whip. He had been in the Senate since 1948.

TODD: He knew that place.

DOVE: He felt very comfortable playing an important role. And it's quite
possible that Vice President Biden...

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