Subject: [big campaign] Re: HUGE STORY
From: "Andres Moreno" <[email-masked]>
To: "Ilan Goldenberg" <[email-masked]>
Cc: "[email-masked]" <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 10:03:11 -0400
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Here is an excerpt and full text of interview

EXCERPT:

*SPIEGEL:* Would you hazard a prediction as to when most of the US troops
will finally leave Iraq?

 *Maliki:* As soon as possible, as far as we're concerned. US presidential
candidate Barack Obama is right when he talks about 16 months. Assuming that
positive developments continue, this is about the same time period that
corresponds to our wishes.

*SPIEGEL:* Is this an endorsement for the US presidential election in
November? Does Obama, who has no military background, ultimately have a
better understanding of Iraq than war hero John McCain?

*Maliki:* Those who operate on the premise of short time periods in Iraq
today are being more realistic. Artificially prolonging the tenure of US
troops in Iraq would cause problems. Of course, this is by no means an
election endorsement. Who they choose as their president is the Americans'
business. But it's the business of Iraqis to say what they want. And that's
where the people and the government are in general agreement: The tenure of
the coalition troops in Iraq should be limited.

FULLL TEXT OF INTERVIEW:

*SPIEGEL:* Germany was opposed to the war. The German economics minister was
in Baghdad last week, Daimler AG plans to build trucks in Iraq, and you will
travel to Berlin this week. Has everything been smoothed out between Germany
and Iraq?

*Maliki:* We want closer relations, and it is my impression that the Germans
-- the government, the people and German companies -- want the same thing.
Our task is to rebuild a country, and the Germans are famous for effective
and efficient work. We have great confidence in them and want to involve
them in the development of our country.

*SPIEGEL:* And there is truly no resentment against a country that opposed
the war in 2003?

*Maliki:* We do not judge our partners on the basis of whether or not they
were militarily involved in toppling Saddam. The decisions back then
corresponded to the national will of the countries, and we respect that.

*SPIEGEL:* What exactly do you expect from the Germans and from German
companies?

*Maliki:* We want to get to know them, and we want to know what they want --
and the things they fear when thinking about Iraq. We have to start over
again in many areas, including oil production, the development of the power
grid and all industries. There is much to be done.

*SPIEGEL:* What do you expect from the Germans, politically and militarily?
The Bundeswehr (German Armed Forces) occasionally trains Iraqi security
forces -- but only in neighboring countries.

*Maliki:* What matters most to us is that we develop resilient political
relationships and work together economically. Our security forces are
steadily improving, partly as a result of German efforts. We will be pleased
to turn to the Germans to equip our police and military; and should there be
new training programs with the German Bundeswehr, we will be happy to accept
their help. However, we would clearly prefer that the training take place in
Iraq in the future. Overall, I believe that we are gradually becoming
self-sufficient.

*SPIEGEL:* Three weeks ago, your government filed a civil lawsuit in New
York against companies that allegedly paid bribes to officials in the Saddam
regime. The defendants include three German companies: Daimler, Siemens and
B. Braun Melsungen. How is this compatible with your overtures to German
industry?

*Maliki:* We are in negotiations with Siemens for the construction of power
plants, which shows just how serious we are. Whether the suit you mention
succeeds will be for the courts to decide. Under no circumstances will the
consequence be that we no longer wish to work with the companies in
question.

*SPIEGEL:* Large parts of Iraq's assets abroad remain frozen -- and
inaccessible to creditors. What will happen to this money when the UN
Security Council mandate for Iraq expires at the end of this year?

*Maliki:* We have hired several international law firms to deal with these
assets. At the moment, they are protected by UN resolutions, American law
and the personal commitment of President George W. Bush -- and we want this
protection to remain in place after the end of UN mandate on Iraq. We
consider the claims being lodged against this money to be unjustified. Iraq
cannot be punished for crimes that were committed by the dictator. This is
very important to us, and a key aspect of our negotiations over the future
status of US troops in Iraq.

*SPIEGEL:* Germany, after World War II, was also liberated from a tyrant by
a US-led coalition. That was 63 years ago, and today there are still
American military bases and soldiers in Germany. How do you feel about this
model?

*Maliki:* Iraq can learn from Germany's experiences, but the situation is
not truly comparable. Back then Germany waged a war that changed the world.
Today, we in Iraq want to establish a timeframe for the withdrawal of
international troops -- and it should be short. At the same time, we would
like to see the establishment of a long-term strategic treaty with the
United States, which would govern the basic aspects of our economic and
cultural relations. However, I wish to re-emphasize that our security
agreement should remain in effect in the short term.

*SPIEGEL:* How short-term? Are you hoping for a new agreement before the end
of the Bush administration?

*Maliki:* So far the Americans have had trouble agreeing to a concrete
timetable for withdrawal, because they feel it would appear tantamount to an
admission of defeat. But that isn't the case at all. If we come to an
agreement, it is not evidence of a defeat, but of a victory, of a severe
blow we have inflicted on al-Qaida and the militias. The American lead
negotiators realize this now, and that's why I expect to see an agreement
taking shape even before the end of President Bush's term in office. With
these negotiations, we will start the whole thing over again, on a clearer,
better basis, because the first proposals were unacceptable to us.

*SPIEGEL:* Immunity for the US troops is apparently the central issue.

*Maliki:* It is a fundamental problem for us that it should not be possible,
in my country, to prosecute offences or crimes committed by US soldiers
against our population. But other issues are no less important: How much
longer will these soldiers remain in our country? How much authority do they
have? Who controls how many, soldiers enter and leave the country and where
they do so?

*SPIEGEL:* Would you hazard a prediction as to when most of the US troops
will finally leave Iraq?

 *Maliki:* As soon as possible, as far as we're concerned. US presidential
candidate Barack Obama is right when he talks about 16 months. Assuming that
positive developments continue, this is about the same time period that
corresponds to our wishes.

*SPIEGEL:* Is this an endorsement for the US presidential election in
November? Does Obama, who has no military background, ultimately have a
better understanding of Iraq than war hero John McCain?

*Maliki:* Those who operate on the premise of short time periods in Iraq
today are being more realistic. Artificially prolonging the tenure of US
troops in Iraq would cause problems. Of course, this is by no means an
election endorsement. Who they choose as their president is the Americans'
business. But it's the business of Iraqis to say what they want. And that's
where the people and the government are in general agreement: The tenure of
the coalition troops in Iraq should be limited.

*SPIEGEL:* In your opinion, which factor has contributed most to bringing
calm to the situation in the country?

*Maliki:* There are many factors, but I see them in the following order.
First, there is the political rapprochement we have managed to achieve in
central Iraq. This has enabled us, above all, to pull the plug on al-Qaida.
Second, there is the progress being made by our security forces. Third,
there is the deep sense of abhorrence with which the population has reacted
to the atrocities of al-Qaida and the militias. Finally, of course, there is
the economic recovery.

*SPIEGEL:* Critics have accused you of striking harshly against the Mahdi
army of Shiite leader Muqtada al-Sadr, while going easy on his rival
Ayatollah Mohammed Baqir al-Hakim's Badr militia.

*Maliki:* That's not true. We proceed just as firmly against anyone who
breaks the law. Just a few days ago, we had an incident with a group
associated with the Badr people. The army moved in immediately and arrested
them all. No one was spared. The punishment is based purely on the nature of
the crime, not on the identity of the criminal.

*SPIEGEL:* In southern Iraq, where you come from, you have been compared
with Saddam Hussein when it comes to harshness.

*Maliki:* That's the sort of thing that people say who don't understand how
urgently Iraq needs stability -- or these people prefer instability. We
don't want to spread fear and terror in Iraq. We have, for example, given
the militias several deadlines to hand over their weapons. Their resistance
was tremendous, so we had to oppose them with tremendous force of our own.

*SPIEGEL:* What role do you envision for your chief rival, Muqtada al-Sadr?
Can there ever be national reconciliation in Iraq without his participation?

*Maliki:* You can only reconcile with someone who wants to reconcile. His
Excellency Muqtada al-Sadr can be a political partner, especially if, to
that end, he draws on the great spiritual legacy he has inherited from his
ancestors. He has understood that his following was eventually infiltrated
by criminal elements, by men from the former regime, al-Qaida people and
others. The fact that he is now in the process of systematically separating
himself from these elements makes him even stronger as a political partner.
As a politician, I might add, not as a militia leader.

*SPIEGEL:* You spent part of your exile in Iran, and you have visited the
country several times since you took office. Can you explain to us what the
leaders in Tehran are up to? Are they building a nuclear bomb? Do you see
this as a serious threat?

*Maliki:* I have not been made privy to the details of the Iranian nuclear
program. Iranian representatives assure us, however, that this program
serves peaceful purposes. Even if Tehran wanted to develop a nuclear weapon,
it would take a very long time, simply from a technical standpoint. It is
obvious that our region is far too fragile for even a single country to
possess nuclear weapons, because it will always be an incentive for other
countries to also build their own.
*SPIEGEL:* Exactly 50 years ago, the monarchy in Iraq was overthrown and a
republic established. But we didn't see any celebration of this event at
all. What does that day mean for the history of Iraq?

*Maliki:* There may have been people who celebrated. But certainly not all
Iraqis. On July 14, 1958, and era came to an end, but what came afterwards
didn't live up to our expectations and hopes. What came were decades of
military putsches and the dictatorship. We are still dealing with the
aftermath today.

*SPIEGEL:* Mr. Prime Minister, your job is probably one of the most
dangerous a politician can have. How do you cope with this, and what do you
do to make it bearable?

*Maliki:* I lead a very simple life -- one that is shaped by external
forces, which is apparently what fate has determined for us Iraqis. In that
regard, the past few decades of dictatorship have not changed all that much.
What keeps me going? The constant exertion of my job -- and the successes we
are now having. It means a lot to me to see how much closer we are today to
a democratic Iraq, one that respects human rights, than we were only a few
months ago.

*SPIEGEL:* Mr. Prime Minister, thank you for taking the time to speak with
us.

*Interview conducted by Mathias Müller von Blumencron and Bernard Zand in
Baghdad*

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Ilan Goldenberg <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 9:07 AM
Subject: [big campaign] HUGE STORY
To: "[email-masked]" <[email-masked]>

This is absolutely huge.  Maliki just essentially endorsed by name the Obama
Iraq plan

http://www.democracyarsenal.org/2008/07/its-over.html

It's Over
Posted by Ilan Goldenberg

Not much to say here.  Other than the fact that this is a huge huge huge
deal.  Article speaks for itself.

   In an interview with Der Spiegel released on Saturday, Maliki said he
wanted U.S. troops to withdraw from Iraq as soon as possible.

   "U.S. presidential candidate Barack Obama talks about 16 months. That, we
think, would be the right timeframe for a withdrawal, with the possibility
of slight changes"

And

   Asked if he supported Obama's ideas more than those of John McCain,
Republican presidential hopeful, Maliki said he did not want to recommend
who people should vote for.

   "Whoever is thinking about the shorter term is closer to reality.
Artificially extending the stay of U.S. troops would cause problems."

And

   "The Americans have found it difficult to agree on a concrete timetable
for the exit because it seems like an admission of defeat to them. But it
isn't," Maliki told Der Spiegel.

Is there anything left to say?

July 19, 2008 at 05:59 AM | Permalink

http://www.reuters.com/article/vcCandidateFeed2/idUSL198009020080719

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Iraqi PM backs Obama troop exit plan: report
Sat Jul 19, 2008 7:38am EDT

BERLIN (Reuters) - Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki told a German
magazine he supported prospective U.S. Democratic presidential candidate
Barack Obama's proposal that U.S. troops should leave Iraq within 16 months.

In an interview with Der Spiegel released on Saturday, Maliki said he wanted
U.S. troops to withdraw from Iraq as soon as possible.

"U.S. presidential candidate Barack Obama talks about 16 months. That, we
think, would be the right timeframe for a withdrawal, with the possibility
of slight changes."

It is the first time he has backed the withdrawal timetable put forward by
Obama, who is visiting Afghanistan and us set to go to Iraq as part of a
tour of Europe and the Middle East.

Obama has called for a shift away from a "single-minded" focus on Iraq and
wants to pull out troops within 16 months, instead adding U.S. soldiers to
Afghanistan.

Asked if he supported Obama's ideas more than those of John McCain,
Republican presidential hopeful, Maliki said he did not want to recommend
who people should vote for.

"Whoever is thinking about the shorter term is closer to reality.
Artificially extending the stay of U.S. troops would cause problems."

Maliki, who is due to visit Germany this week, has suggested a timetable
should be set for a U.S. withdrawal but U.S. officials have been more
cautious, despite an improving security situation.

The White House said on Friday President George W. Bush and Maliki had
agreed that a security deal under negotiation should set a "time horizon"
for meeting "aspirational goals" for reducing U.S. forces in Iraq.

"The Americans have found it difficult to agree on a concrete timetable for
the exit because it seems like an admission of defeat to them. But it
isn't," Maliki told Der Spiegel.

Some five years after the U.S.-led invasion, there are still some 146,000
U.S. soldiers in Iraq.

(Reporting by Madeline Chambers; Editing by Jon Boyle)

-- 
Andres Moreno
Deputy Director - Tracking/Media Monitoring
ProgressiveAccountability.org (PAO)
202-609-7688 (office)
703-501-6661 (cell)
[email-masked]

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Ilan Goldenberg <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 9:07 AM
Subject: [big campaign] HUGE STORY
To: "[email-masked]" <[email-masked]>

This is absolutely huge.  Maliki just essentially endorsed by name the Obama
Iraq plan

http://www.democracyarsenal.org/2008/07/its-over.html

It's Over
Posted by Ilan Goldenberg

Not much to say here.  Other than the fact that this is a huge huge huge
deal.  Article speaks for itself.

   In an interview with Der Spiegel released on Saturday, Maliki said he
wanted U.S. troops to withdraw from Iraq as soon as possible.

   "U.S. presidential candidate Barack Obama talks about 16 months. That, we
think, would be the right timeframe for a withdrawal, with the possibility
of slight changes"

And

   Asked if he supported Obama's ideas more than those of John McCain,
Republican presidential hopeful, Maliki said he did not want to recommend
who people should vote for.

   "Whoever is thinking about the shorter term is closer to reality.
Artificially extending the stay of U.S. troops would cause problems."

And

   "The Americans have found it difficult to agree on a concrete timetable
for the exit because it seems like an admission of defeat to them. But it
isn't," Maliki told Der Spiegel.

Is there anything left to say?

July 19, 2008 at 05:59 AM | Permalink

http://www.reuters.com/article/vcCandidateFeed2/idUSL198009020080719

Print | Close this window
Iraqi PM backs Obama troop exit plan: report
Sat Jul 19, 2008 7:38am EDT

BERLIN (Reuters) - Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki told a German
magazine he supported prospective U.S. Democratic presidential candidate
Barack Obama's proposal that U.S. troops should leave Iraq within 16 months.

In an interview with Der Spiegel released on Saturday, Maliki said he wanted
U.S. troops to withdraw from Iraq as soon as possible.

"U.S. presidential candidate Barack Obama talks about 16 months. That, we
think, would be the right timeframe for a withdrawal, with the possibility
of slight changes."

It is the first time he has backed the withdrawal timetable put forward by
Obama, who is visiting Afghanistan and us set to go to Iraq as part of a
tour of Europe and the Middle East.

Obama has called for a shift away from a "single-minded" focus on Iraq and
wants to pull out troops within 16 months, instead adding U.S. soldiers to
Afghanistan.

Asked if he supported Obama's ideas more than those of John McCain,
Republican presidential hopeful, Maliki said he did not want to recommend
who people should vote for.

"Whoever is thinking about the shorter term is closer to reality.
Artificially extending the stay of U.S. troops would cause problems."

Maliki, who is due to visit Germany this week, has suggested a timetable
should be set for a U.S. withdrawal but U.S. officials have been more
cautious, despite an improving security situation.

The White House said on Friday President George W. Bush and Maliki had
agreed that a security deal under negotiation should set a "time horizon"
for meeting "aspirational goals" for reducing U.S. forces in Iraq.

"The Americans have found it difficult to agree on a concrete timetable for
the exit because it seems like an admission of defeat to them. But it
isn't," Maliki told Der Spiegel.

Some five years after the U.S.-led invasion, there are still some 146,000
U.S. soldiers in Iraq.

(Reporting by Madeline Chambers; Editing by Jon Boyle)

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