Subject: Fwd: HRC and the email flap
From: Cheryl Mills <[email-masked]>
To: Philippe Reines <[email-masked]>, John Podesta <[email-masked]>, Jennifer Palmieri <[email-masked]>, Kristina Schake <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2015 12:57:45 -0500

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From: Anne-Marie Slaughter <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, Mar 7, 2015 at 11:11 AM
Subject: Fwd: HRC and the email flap
To: Nick Merrill <[email-masked]>, Jake Sullivan <
[email-masked]>, Cheryl Mills <[email-masked]>

 fyi from Tom F -- not great, but useful to know. I'm thinking about writing
an op-ed myself from the point of view of a former State Dept official.

Begin forwarded message:

 Anne-Marie, That doesn't sound unreasonable to me, but she needs to get
out there and say it and explain it. I am sure she has a case to be made
and right now it is her critics who are making it. Best wishes, Tom

On Sat, Mar 7, 2015 at 9:15 AM, Anne-Marie Slaughter <[email-masked]
> wrote:

> Tom -- just to follow up, didn't you just move away from AOL a couple of
> years ago? Long after you knew you probably should have? Honestly, OTR,
> EVERYONE I knew at State used our private email (I used Princeton) when we
> were out of the office (except for our blackberries, which were State
> issued) because it was so incredibly clunky and difficult to get onto the
> State system when we were not in the office (it was a complicated set of
> steps and the system always froze or crashed). We sent sensitive but
> unclassified documents to our private emails so we could work on them at
> home and then sent them back to our work emails. Moreover, the overall
> lesson that everyone had taken away from the Clinton administration was not
> to put ANYTHING politically sensitive on email period, regardless of the
> system. I remember getting called on that early on -- someone assumed I was
> putting something in email so that if it came out in the press later I
> would look good -- a consideration that had simply never occurred to me.
> What seems most unfair about this is that she was working round the clock
> to master a completely new job and set of issues; the State Dept systems
> were a mess; she switched from campaign to home and then stuck with that
> for four years.
> Best,
> AM
>
>  On Mar 7, 2015, at 9:05 AM, Friedman Thomas <[email-masked]>
> wrote:
>
>  Dear Anne-Marie, Thanks for your note. Always happy to hear your
> perspective. That all seems true to me, and yet... Even I evolved. I moved to
> gmail, got a Mac laptop, got rid of AOL. And I am not the Secretary of
> State, bound by very clear government regulations. I have to say I am
> troubled by what I have read about what Hillary did. I am keeping an open
> until I hear what she has to say, but it doesn't sit right with me. Just to
> let you know where I stand. Thanks for reaching out. Allbest, Tom
>
> On Sat, Mar 7, 2015 at 8:48 AM, Anne-Marie Slaughter <
> [email-masked]> wrote:
>
>> Tom,
>> I'm not working directly with Hillary's folks; I can't, given my position
>> as head of New America. So this reach-out is on my own initiative. As I
>> read all these columns about her email, I just keep remembering two things
>> from you and about you that seem very relevant. Your point: "When I sat
>> down to write The World is Flat: Facebook didn't exist, Twitter was still a
>> sound, the cloud was still in the sky, 4G was a parking place, LinkedIn was
>> a prison, applications were what you sent to college, and Skype was a typo"
>> is still the best thing I know capturing how fast our world is changing.
>> You were talking about 2004, a decade ago; now we are talking about 2008, 6
>> years ago -- all of this "she should have known, she must have known" is
>> ridiculous. In 2008 it was hard for the President to get a blackberry;
>> State Department technology was terrible (it still is); we hadn't had any
>> major data breaches, private (Target etc) or public (Wikileaks; Snowden).
>> The other thing I keep remembering is how you were still using an AOL
>> account until very recently. Even as sophisticated a tech guru as you just
>> sticks with what you know amid the constant pressures of a busy life. We
>> all know there is a better system out there; we should switch, but it's
>> such a pain and we don't have time ....
>>
>> Just some reflections. But both seem very relevant to putting all this in
>> some perspective.
>> All best,
>> AM
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